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LOL, debates. XD
*Head-desk* The day I decided to watch Code Geass all day and forgo foruming you guys decide to throw stuff at each other?
While I do not support your philosophy on healthcare, I do agree and imploreyou apple XD that we should be civil in this thread.
I am trying to revive any political discussion in a PC thread, and scaring people does not help that particular cause. D:
Ok, now this is the one right way to go debate, propose a plan and we talk about the pro's and con's. Anyways while it's nice to know that fact...not all ailments are cancerous. @~@
I do disagree with this point as High-deductables are already causing people to have problems paying for their policies, as this means they have to carry more of the burden on paying for their healthcare while the private insurance pays less. And HSA's are good until they run out due to high cost and long term care...like cancer. @___@
What about then?
Plus it does not address our high Healthcare inflation costs.
But, as David Frum says...
I can agree with opening up each state in the union to a national marketplace, and this is already being incorporated in the bills through the Health Insurance Exchange.
I disagree with this. I would rather repeal state mandates and have a Federal mandate listing minimum benefits through the Public option.
As we do have a US Democratic Congressional Majority and Administration. I will have to draw the line with compromises by having a Medicare-based Public Insurance Option and having any State in the Union keep the right to opt-out of the Federal program in order to institute their own plans.
Seems the bruhaha over this worked. :3
Nice Comparison: Healthcare around the world
*Head-desk* The day I decided to watch Code Geass all day and forgo foruming you guys decide to throw stuff at each other?
But seriously, if you're going to be mean about it, can't you just debate without trying to insult me? You obviously aren't responsible or mature enough. >.>
While I do not support your philosophy on healthcare, I do agree and implore
I am trying to revive any political discussion in a PC thread, and scaring people does not help that particular cause. D:
While it is true that the United States lags in overall length of life compared to other first world countries, the United States has the best survival rate when it come to cancer. In a recent op-ed in The Wall Street Journal the founder of Whole Foods, John Mackey, on how to improve the current system without increasing the national deficit.
Ok, now this is the one right way to go debate, propose a plan and we talk about the pro's and con's. Anyways while it's nice to know that fact...not all ailments are cancerous. @~@
The highlights of his proposal are:
Remove the legal obstacles that slow the creation of high-deductible health insurance plans and health savings accounts (HSAs).
I do disagree with this point as High-deductables are already causing people to have problems paying for their policies, as this means they have to carry more of the burden on paying for their healthcare while the private insurance pays less. And HSA's are good until they run out due to high cost and long term care...like cancer. @___@
What about then?
Plus it does not address our high Healthcare inflation costs.
I can agree with this to be incorporated under the current bill, but I still support taxing high-end policies.Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits.
But, as David Frum says...
DAVID FRUM: Health exchange. We need to begin to sever the link between employment and insurance. It is just-- it's a holdover irrationality that you get your insurance through the place where you work, that discourages people from leaving. People who get ill, when they're at a job are then indentured because they can't-- so long as they can work at the old company, they are covered under the old plan. If they move, they can't get a new one. And there-- and that is an artifact of the tax code. And we need to correct the elements for the tax code that do that.
Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines.
I can agree with opening up each state in the union to a national marketplace, and this is already being incorporated in the bills through the Health Insurance Exchange.
Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover.
I disagree with this. I would rather repeal state mandates and have a Federal mandate listing minimum benefits through the Public option.
As we do have a US Democratic Congressional Majority and Administration. I will have to draw the line with compromises by having a Medicare-based Public Insurance Option and having any State in the Union keep the right to opt-out of the Federal program in order to institute their own plans.
Seems the bruhaha over this worked. :3
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told the Huffington Post Thursday that a health care overhaul that did not include a public option wouldn't make it through the House because it "wouldn't have the votes."
At a press conference earlier in the morning, Pelosi had been asked if including a public plan that would compete with private insurance was "essential" to health care reform.
"Can you have effective health care reform without a public option?" a reporter asked.
The goal, she responded, was affordability and accessibility. "If you have another way to do that, put it on the table. And that's where we are. Everything should be on the table," she said.
The open-ended answer led some reporters after the press conference to wonder if she was backing off her statement to MSNBC Wednesday that a bill without a public option wouldn't get out of the House.
Not at all, she said. Asked by HuffPost if she would allow a reform package without a public option out of the House, she responded: "It's not a question of allow. It wouldn't have the votes."
The bill would lack the votes because the GOP generally opposes Democratic reform proposals, and the 77 member Congressional Progressive Caucus -- rarely heard from on the Hill -- has been particularly vocal in its commitment to oppose any reform that doesn't include a public option. The public plan's popularity extends beyond progressives and is broadly popular with the Congressional Black Caucus, Congressional Hispanic Caucus and even two-fifths of Blue Dogs, the conservative Democratic coalition.
Pelosi, during the press conference, also rejected a compromise proposal by Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) to create private, nonprofit, regional health care cooperatives instead of a national public option.
Pelosi wasn't having it: "Not instead of a public option, no," she said.
Nice Comparison: Healthcare around the world
United States - Private system
Private sector funded, with more than half from private sources. Private health insurance available through employer, government or private schemes.
15.3% of population (45.7 million people) do not have health insurance.
Federal government is largest healthcare insurer - involved in two main schemes, Medicaid and Medicare, each covering about 13% of population.
Medicaid - joint funded federal-state programme for certain low income and needy groups - eg children, disabled.
Medicare - for people 65 years old and above and some younger disabled people and those with permanent kidney failure undergoing dialysis or transplant.
Most doctors are in private practice and paid through combination of charges, discounted fees paid by private health plans, public programmes, and direct patient fees.
In-patient care is provided in public and private hospitals. Hospitals are paid through a combination of charges, per admission, and capitation.
UK - Universal, tax-funded system
Public sector funded by taxation and some national insurance contributions.
About 11% have private health insurance. Private GP services very small.
Healthcare free at point of delivery but charges for prescription drugs (except in Wales), ophthalmic services and dental services unless exempt.
Exemptions include children, elderly, and unemployed. About 85% of prescriptions are exempt.
Most walk-in care provided by GP practices but also some walk-in clinics and 24-hour NHS telephone helpline. Free ambulance service and access to accident and emergency. In patient care through GP referral and follow contractual arrangements between health authorities, Primary Care Trusts and the hospital.
Hospitals are semi-autonomous self-governing public trusts.
France - Social insurance system
All legal residents covered by public health insurance funded by compulsory social health insurance contributions from employers and employees with no option to opt out.
Most people have extra private insurance to cover areas that are not eligible for reimbursement by the public health insurance system and many make out of pocket payments to see a doctor.
Patients pay doctor's bills and are reimbursed by sickness insurance funds.
Government regulates contribution rates paid to sickness funds, sets global budgets and salaries for public hospitals.
In-patient care is provided in public and private hospitals (not-for-profit and for-profit). Doctors in public hospitals are salaried whilst those in private hospitals are paid on a fee-for-service basis. Some public hospital doctors are allowed to treat private patients in the hospital. A percentage of the private fee is payable to the hospital.
Most out-patient care is delivered by doctors, dentists and medical auxiliaries working in their own practices.
Singapore - Dual system
Dual system funded by private and public sectors. Public sector provides 80% of hospital care 20% primary care.
Financed by combination of taxes, employee medical benefits, compulsory savings in the form of Medisave, insurance and out-of-pocket payments.
Patients expected to pay part of their medical expenses and to pay more for higher level of service. Government subsidises basic healthcare.
Public sector health services cater for lower income groups who cannot afford private sector charges. In private hospitals and outpatient clinics, patients pay the amount charged by the hospitals and doctors on a fee-for-service basis.
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