Strippers: Trash or respect?

[mastaB_]

Are you kidding me? Strippers are the foundation upon which our country was able to succeed. They are the pillars of our communities.

Seriously though, no problem with strippers. male, female, etc.

 

[Bobbylicious]

No problem with them.

People are free to do what they want, and personally, I find it horrible that people (be it men or women) are actually looked down upon for being a stripper.
Being a stripper isn't really my career choice, but I wouldn't say I've never considered it. I actually wouldn't mind being a stripper (as a hobby), only thing holding me back is 1) uncomfortable with my body, and 2) I really don't have the work ethic most strippers so...
And that's where I think learning about stripping is important. Most of us see it as disgusting, but in actual fact, there is nothing wrong with being "proud" about your body and showing it off, and the amount of work and effort they have to go through to do what they do is incredible. There really is a lot of judging around them, but they actually are so much more than just being "low life's" with no standards. They're inspirational in a way. they give us messages like; "do what you love, no matter what everyone else things", "love yourself", "put in the effort" etc...

 

[pokecole]

Are you kidding me? Strippers are the foundation upon which our country was able to succeed. They are the pillars of our communities.

Seriously though, no problem with strippers. male, female, etc.

Something being the basis of foundation doesn't make it right.
We discovered and founded America with murder? Should that be implemented into society? No. (Don't think I'm saying that the founders of America are horrible or whatever, just don't read into it.)

I'm not really understanding the idea that some people have no other option. Are you telling me that you can't work at McDonald's instead? I kinda get that it pays well and you might need that extra bit of money, if any, depending on where you live and your situation.

Anyways, I think if people feel like living their lives like that, it's fine. It's kind of degrading to society that we deal with issues with lust, but whatever. There are just some things that you deal with no matter how evolved society may be.

If I was a female, I wouldn't consider being a stripper just because it seems too good to be true and is semi against my morals. I feel that if anyone is making a ton of money easily, that it isn't guaranteed or stable. But, I'm just an unlucky person. That's how I look at it to lower losses XD

 

[Kanzler]

Women strip for the money and the lack of commitment necessary. On the flip side, insecurity of earnings is a negative factor. Most women in the field are satisfied with their work.

It appears that it is inaccurate to say that stripping "is the only option for some people" because of the many reasons that strippers feel positively and negatively about their work:

- 98.1% said that one of the best features of the
job was the ability to choose their own hours
- 80.6% earning more money than in other jobs
- 77.8% said getting money straight away
- 75% said the ability it gave them to be
independent
- 74% said that keeping fit was one of the best
features
- 74% said combining fun and work
- 56.9% said making new friends
- 51.4% said feeling good about themselves
was one of the best elements
- 51.4% said working shorter hours

- 55.6% said never knowing how much money
they would earn
- 48.6% said keeping their job a secret was one
of the worst aspects of the work
- 31.9% said customers being rude or abusive
- 30.6% said that having to compete with the
other dancers was problematic for them
- 23.6% said feeling pressure on their bodies to
look a certain way
- 23.6% said losing respect for men
- 20.8% said they found it emotionally difficult
- 13.9% said they felt it meant they didn't have
career prospects
- 11.1% said feeling bad about themselves
- 6.9% said feeling that they could lose their job
easily

Necessity doesn't to be cited as negative feelings about stripping, and the positive feelings list features that are honestly aren't present in a lot of work - if it has perks, it's not necessary.

Furthermore, the assertion that most strippers make six figures is unsupported. If you consider that:

- Over 66.2% of dancers worked less than four shifts a week
- the average [earning per shift] that women currently reported was £232

Take 4 shifts a week * 50 weeks * £232 per shift = £46,000 or 73,000 USD which is certainly not six figures. These calculations were made with the liberal assumption that most strippers work 4 shifts a week (most strippers work less than 4 shifts a week) and that they are working 50 weeks a year.

http://www.sociology.leeds.ac.uk/assets/files/research/events/PreliminaryMediaAug2010.pdf

 

[Oryx]

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I wouldn't be so quick to cite that as proof of anything - first of all, the sample size is pretty small, and second of all, this is entirely based on surveys. In my link about camming, for example, the women who were in dire straits were unwilling to speak to people doing surveys about their happiness. Those people unwilling to speak would be left out of this entirely. I think that the fact that not a single dancer who the person talked to cited satisfaction as 2 or lower shows this; even if it was a job that's "average" there are people there that hate it. She didn't speak to those people.

 

[Kanzler]

I wouldn't be so quick to cite that as proof of anything - first of all, the sample size is pretty small, and second of all, this is entirely based on surveys. In my link about camming, for example, the women who were in dire straits were unwilling to speak to people doing surveys about their happiness. Those people unwilling to speak would be left out of this entirely. I think that the fact that not a single dancer who the person talked to cited satisfaction as 2 or lower shows this; even if it was a job that's "average" there are people there that hate it. She didn't speak to those people.

That's true. However, stripping might be different from camming, and it might be different across different countries. The takeaway is it's difficult to make generalizations at all, let alone generalizations without any support. Also there is exploitation wherever labour is involved - perhaps more severe in conditions of poverty, in undeveloped countries, as well as in sex work - but I don't know if that's a reason to criticize sex work itself. Just because it's easy to exploit someone harshly in sex work, does that make it bad?

 

[Oryx]

That's true. However, stripping might be different from camming, and it might be different across different countries. The takeaway is it's difficult to make generalizations at all, let alone generalizations without any support. Also there is exploitation wherever labour is involved - perhaps more severe in conditions of poverty, in undeveloped countries, as well as in sex work - but I don't know if that's a reason to criticize sex work itself. Just because it's easy to exploit someone harshly in sex work, does that make it bad?

I definitely agree that sex work as a whole shouldn't be demonized due to the possibility of exploitation. I think we're moving towards a world where it's more accepted, which results in more regulation and more respect for sex workers, which reduces exploitation as a whole. When we demonize it we push it into the black market and make it incredibly easy for exploitation to occur.

 

[Bloo]

Let's face it: a lot of the time stripping and other sex work are people's only options. If they were not strippers, these people would have to be on unemployment or welfare, and the same people would be disrespecting them for "abusing" that.

By the way, often times the same people who treat sex workers like trash are the ones that are requesting their services.

 

[dad]

personally I wouldn't but I have other things planned for my future. i think your friend needs to see it from another point of view; " It's pathetic that men pay money to watch women dance naked."

 

[CelticsPhan]

Stripping is a choice but not in all cases where there is little opportunity pursuing anything else. For this reason, strippers are stereotyped to be from poor areas and have life-threatening drug habits.

Shaming them is easy (if one is so inclined) considering they "take their clothes off" for a living rather work a job deemed "normal" in contemporary society. Do they deserve respect? Yes, basic human respect. To quote Frank Ocean, "trying to pay/for tuition doing porn in the back/At least you're working" and it pays heavily in certain urban areas (Washington DC and Vegas apparently make a killing).

It also starts from psychological deficiency (in other words, a lack or abundance in one's body image and mind image) while some just do it out of desire for money and recognition. The rise in "vice" and "vice crimes" has to correlate with how young men and women think of themselves and wish to be satisfied for lack of a better word.

Everything we ever want is in our faces and readily available with sexual fulfillment as an obvious example. Strippers are only a short drive away (if such clubs still exist) and are now a few clicks away with the explosion of internet pornography and "camgirl websites".

Spoiler:

I guess this is where my credibility kicks in; I use such sites on occasion. I'm aware that some or most of the women on screen suffer or feel disappointed they did not choose another career, but I suppose I'm one of many who have been impacted by a radically changed "instant gratification" society.

Stripping appears to be a gateway to an easier life or in some cases, the only life besides drug trafficking and criminal activity in poor areas that lack adequate educational institutions.

I'll put it this way: attractive people are abused for their looks and their situations for the false appeasement and wealth of others. Nobody is truly proud of their involvement with strippers, which is why politicians and celebrities find their reputations ruined by contact with strippers. If our culture and our human desire wasn't as geared towards sex, money and satisfaction, the industry would be nowhere near what it is in the present.

Those who treat strippers and "sex workers" like playthings suffer with them; they crave genuine love and affection from men and women and cannot find it. To fill this gap, they resort to strippers, prostitutes and masturbation. That's the cold, hard truth and it may only get worse as our culture grows faster and more demanding.

Stripping is a choice but not in all cases where there is little opportunity pursuing anything else. For this reason, strippers are stereotyped to be from poor areas and have life-threatening drug habits.

Shaming them is easy (if one is so inclined) considering they "take their clothes off" for a living rather work a job deemed "normal" in contemporary society. Do they deserve respect? Yes, basic human respect. To quote Frank Ocean, "trying to pay/for tuition doing porn in the back/At least you're working" and it pays heavily in certain urban areas (Washington DC and Vegas apparently make a killing).

It also starts from psychological deficiency (in other words, a lack or abundance in one's body image and mind image) while some just do it out of desire for money and recognition. The rise in "vice" and "vice crimes" has to correlate with how young men and women think of themselves and wish to be satisfied for lack of a better word.

Everything we ever want is in our faces and readily available with sexual fulfillment as an obvious example. Strippers are only a short drive away (if such clubs still exist) and are now a few clicks away with the explosion of internet pornography and "camgirl websites".

Spoiler:

I guess this is where my credibility kicks in; I use such sites on occasion. I'm aware that some or most of the women on screen suffer or feel disappointed they did not choose another career, but I suppose I'm one of many who have been impacted by a radically changed "instant gratification" society.

Stripping appears to be a gateway to an easier life or in some cases, the only life besides drug trafficking and criminal activity in poor areas that lack adequate educational institutions.

I'll put it this way: attractive people are abused for their looks and their situations for the false appeasement and wealth of others. Nobody is truly proud of their involvement with strippers, which is why politicians and celebrities find their reputations ruined by contact with strippers. If our culture and our human desire wasn't as geared towards sex, money and satisfaction, the industry would be nowhere near what it is in the present.

Those who treat strippers and "sex workers" like playthings suffer with them; they crave genuine love and affection from men and women and cannot find it. To fill this gap, they resort to strippers, prostitutes and masturbation. That's the cold, hard truth and it may only get worse as our culture grows faster and more demanding.

 

[~RNC~]

I came across this by accident, not not only is it degrading not only to the female but also degrading by the male for it as well as belittling and disgusting. No one should have to show their bodies naked for money ever.

 

[CoffeeDrink]

"I think it's sad an pathetic for a women to dance naked for money. How does one even feel comfortable dancing for a bunch of men I don't even feel comfortable dancing for my bf. It"s really upsetting the lack of respect theses woman's have for them selfs they need help. That's not the only way to make money ...wh***s . Idk why I care . That money you make now your not going to be making later on when your ass and boobs are sagging . Then You're gona wish u went to school or had a real job . Call me closed minded idc it's just upsetting."

Your thoughts?

well, some poor girl has to do it. I think the person that wrote that hasn't really held a job, and it reeks of young.

A job is a job, and it can get pretty irritating when people begin to degrade what you do to get by. Janitorial staff? Maids? Fast food? We all get ribbed on our career choices regardless. And while I may not particularly call stripping glamorous, it pays like any other job. Perhaps one of the benefits of stripping is cold cash. . . but I digress.

I think stripping is far better than cutting drugs for example, so I think stripping is a legitimate way to earn money. Guys strip too and I think they are both equally treated as a piece of meat. Just like women don't typically like fat sweaty guys touching them, the same can be said for men not particularly caring for fat sweaty women touching them.

I think the only person that kind find your work degrading is you. Some girls love stripping, some girls love building and designing ICBMs in Minnesota. So? The person that wrote this comment clearly hasn't been. Some places can be surprisingly 'classy' if you can call it that.

So no, stripping is not particularly trashy. I will tell you what job is trashy though, Sanitation Work.

 

[Bounsweet]

Total respect for them. They make a profession out of their physical appeal and a lot of strippers make seriously mad money. It's something you need a lot of self-confidence to do. Honestly I don't get the distaste people have for them.

It should also be clear that stripping, exotic/pole dancers, and other sensual entertainers (typically) do not get sexual with their clients. Most places have a "look don't touch" rule with things like lap dances.

 

[twocows]

personally I wouldn't but I have other things planned for my future. i think your friend needs to see it from another point of view; " It's pathetic that men pay money to watch women dance naked."

That's a rather worrisome opinion. It's pathetic that men have a biological attraction to women? I see nothing shameful about that.

I came across this by accident, not not only is it degrading not only to the female but also degrading by the male for it as well as belittling and disgusting. No one should have to show their bodies naked for money ever.

How is it degrading? How it is belittling? Many people like their body and have no problems with it or even want to show it off. I think if you talked to some of the people doing this, you'd find they completely disagree.

"Disgusting" is a matter of personal opinion and really has no place in this debate unless you're actually involved in some way. If you think it's disgusting, don't patronize strip clubs.

 

[dad]

That's a rather worrisome opinion. It's pathetic that men have a biological attraction to women? I see nothing shameful about that.

That was me saying how Alfieri's friend should look at it if he feels that it's pathetic for women to dance for money. He should get both points of view if he chooses to view stripping like that. I, however, don't feel that way and feel that strippers should be respected, I imagine it isn't the easiest job to have..

 

[twocows]

That was me saying how Alfieri's friend should look at it if he feels that it's pathetic for women to dance for money. He should get both points of view if he chooses to view stripping like that. I, however, don't feel that way and feel that strippers should be respected, I imagine it isn't the easiest job to have..

Don't know how that slipped me, I must have been tired. Apologies on misunderstanding.

 

[Yoshikko]

I seriously have problems with the stuff you said. First of all the quote from Facebook is absolutely ridiculous: "I think it's sad an pathetic for a women to dance naked for money. How does one even feel comfortable dancing for a bunch of men I don't even feel comfortable dancing for my bf." Who pays them to do that? Who creates that demand? Not them that's for sure. Why do you disrespect someone who can do something that you can't?? Why does that not deserve respect? How does that make sense even? I know that wasn't your quote but I just wanted to point that out.

And how does stripping equate to not having self respect? Who is someone else to decide that? Where do people even get the idea. It's a job. You have to earn money one way or another and for some women this is the only way, not even that, some women enjoy it and that's their right and own decision. SEX WORKERS DESERVE AS MUCH RESPECT AS ANY OTHER. This thread title is seriously asking whether certain people deserve respect based on their job. The fact that that is still a question is the problem in itself. The amount of fucking body policing in this thread is just wtf.

 

[Kura]

If someone wants to strip for a job or is ok stripping as their job then cool. It's when girls start a spiel and expect a pity party that I think they're trash because they're just doing it for attention.
And anyone who goes further than just dancing is trashy to me IMO just because of my personal upbringing where just consider it dirty and I can't help but find it distasteful. I don't see how I can respect something that can, at times, condone cheating if taken further than just dancing; but I can respect the dancers if they remain just that.

 

[TRIFORCE89]

I can respect a person while not respecting their profession. In general. Independent of stripping or not.

 

[dad]

Don't know how that slipped me, I must have been tired. Apologies on misunderstanding.

it's fine lol, it's new years