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6th Gen Gym Leaders and Elite Four

Hikamaru

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    • SkorXX said:
    To Be Honest, I like Wallace's New Design!

    WHY NO JUAN?!?!?!? ;--;
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    Because they are following the original Ruby & Sapphire and not Emerald. It's also why Team Magma is battled in Omega Ruby while Team Aqua is battled in Alpha Sapphire. In Emerald both teams were battled at once, and that's not the case with these remakes.

    Also, Steven is Champion so that's why Wallace is 8th Gym, because it was that way in Ruby & Sapphire and not Emerald.
     
    Cerberus87

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    • Juan wasn't anything special, really. His main was Kingdra, which copies Clair. He also has a friggin Luvdisc.

    He could still be in the games (haven't looked at the trainer leaks), but IMO it's unlikely.

    Personally I think this was one of the "mistakes" of Emerald compared to RS. What was wrong with keeping Wallace as gym leader and Steven as Champion? The way it ended up being, you had an uninteresting replacement as Sootopolis gym leader (with an annoying Pokémon to boot: Kingdra with Double Team), another Water-type specialist as Champion (making things repetitive), and Steven in a Red-style postgame battle, whom you could only battle once, unlike Red.
     
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    I know I've mentioned this a few times before, but I believe it'd be best if they had included them both in-game.

    One idea of mine is perhaps they could make Juan and Wallace version-exclusive, similar to how things were with Iris and Drayden (spelling?) in Black and White; Juan could be available as Sootopolis Gym Leader in Alpha Sapphire, and Wallace could appear with the same position in Omega Ruby (or vice-versa; anything could work, I suppose!).

    Another plan is to somehow incorporate these two guys in both games, and have us choose which leader we'd like to face-off against, sort of like how it were with Cilan, Cress, and Chili.
     

    Hikamaru

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    • Peitharchia said:
    I know I've mentioned this a few times before, but I believe it'd be best if they had included them both in-game.

    One idea of mine is perhaps they could make Juan and Wallace version-exclusive, similar to how things were with Iris and Drayden (spelling?) in Black and White; Juan could be available as Sootopolis Gym Leader in Alpha Sapphire, and Wallace could appear with the same position in Omega Ruby (or vice-versa; anything could work, I suppose!).

    Another plan is to somehow incorporate these two guys in both games, and have us choose which leader we'd like to face-off against, sort of like how it were with Cilan, Cress, and Chili.
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    While it would have been a nice concept, it seems likely the version-exclusive Gym Leaders thing might have been just exclusive to Black & White, given how said games' theme covers opposites. Also, with the Striation trio you were forced to battle the one who had an advantage over your starter i.e. Cilan if you pick Water, Cress if you pick Fire, and Chili if you pick Grass.

    Juan would have been nice to see in OR/AS but again, they're sticking as close to the original Ruby & Sapphire as possible, and not Emerald. He didn't appear in R/S, only Emerald.
     
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    • Roxanne ~ Looks kinda like her original except with a bit more swag, I like the new design!
    Brawly ~ Miles better than his original, looks more of a fighting-type Gym Leader now.
    Wattson ~ No major changes to his appearence, I like how they've maintained the originality.
    Flanney ~ Hot.
    Norman ~ Again, not much different to his original which was already pretty decent.
    Winona ~ Stunning. She looks so elegant!
    Tate & Liza ~ I actually prefer their newer design as opposed to their originals, idk they just seem like they have more personality now and easier to identify who is who.
    Wallace ~ ... Er-Okay.
     
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire

    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire

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    • Cerberus87 said:
    Juan wasn't anything special, really. His main was Kingdra, which copies Clair. He also has a friggin Luvdisc.

    He could still be in the games (haven't looked at the trainer leaks), but IMO it's unlikely.

    Personally I think this was one of the "mistakes" of Emerald compared to RS. What was wrong with keeping Wallace as gym leader and Steven as Champion? The way it ended up being, you had an uninteresting replacement as Sootopolis gym leader (with an annoying Pokémon to boot: Kingdra with Double Team), another Water-type specialist as Champion (making things repetitive), and Steven in a Red-style postgame battle, whom you could only battle once, unlike Red.
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    Well Johto had a Dragon type 8th gym and a Dragon type champion too, and B2W2 would've too but they made Drayden the 7th instead of the 8th gym leader for those games.


    I wonder if the reason they had Wallace be the champion is to connect it with the stone, as Emerald is one variant of Beryl, and so is Aquamarine (interestingly Ruby and Sapphire have a lot of metal minerals in them which fits Steven's Steel Type). Or more likely it was a homage to how GSC had a different champion than RGBY did. In a strange way Emerald was like an alternate universe compared to Ruby and Sapphire in that regard (opposed to a Sequel like GSC were to RGB, and B2W2 were to BW) as had different champions yet tell the same events at the same point in the time line (sort of like BB2 versus WW2 as both were canon yet had some different locations and events compared to other paired versions).
     
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    Cerberus87

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    • OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire said:
    Well Johto had a Dragon type 8th gym and a Dragon type champion too, and B2W2 would've too but they made Drayden the 7th instead of the 8th gym leader for those games.


    I wonder if the reason they had Wallace be the champion is to connect it with the stone, as Emerald is one variant of Beryl, and so is Aquamarine (interestingly Ruby and Sapphire have a lot of metal minerals in them which fits Steven's Steel Type). Or more likely it was a homage to how GSC had a different champion than RGBY did. In a strange way Emerald was like an alternate universe compared to Ruby and Sapphire in that regard (opposed to a Sequel like GSC were to RGB, and B2W2 were to BW) as had different champions yet tell the same events at the same point in the time line (sort of like BB2 versus WW2 as both were canon yet had some different locations and events compared to other paired versions).
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    Johto had a Fighting-type gym leader and a Fighting-type E4 as well. It annoys me a bit that Juan has the same ace as Clair, but then again they repeated aces for other people (Giovanni and Bertha have Rhyperior). Falkner and Blue have the same ace, too, but I don't like to count Pidgeot as Blue's ace because he doesn't have a specialty. Plus, in B2W2 Blue drops Pidgeot for Aerodactyl.
     

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    Now Opinions about Teams..

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    Winnona
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    Tate and Liza
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    Wallace
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    Sidney
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    Drake
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    Steven
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    Hikamaru

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    • Given Steven has his lead, Skarmory with the Sturdy ability and two entry hazard moves it means we could likely see him setting up Spikes or Toxic Spikes to hurt you as you switch in, since Sturdy makes the user survive a hit that would have OHKO'd it. It's a quite threatening approach if I have to say so myself.

    Winona's Swellow still has the dreaded Endeavor + Quick Attack combo while Wallace's Seaking carries the nasty Horn Drill. Also worth noting in terms of deadly sets are Norman's entire team carrying Retaliate (I know how many playing B/W feared Lenora because of that move) and Steven's Aggron has an impressive set as well, pretty much near-perfect coverage.

    Given how more stronger their movesets got I can imagine how hard this game will be for Nuzlockers.
     
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